what do i need to know about owning a rural post route, contracted
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| wymarc | #1 Posted : Th, October sixteen, 2008 6:thirty:42 AM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Newbie Groups: Registered | are these popping up every where, or what? An office I just OIC'ed in lost nineteen regular routes to contract in the by 3 years. Then sad for the RCA'southward who stood in line for those jobs. | ||
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| hot_burrito_1 | #2 Posted : Thursday, Oct 16, 2008 viii:x:54 AM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered Was thanked: 2 time(s) in 2 post(s) | One of the challenges nosotros face in the office I work in is getting RCA's to use their ain vehicles. This may seem unrelated, but it could be related. I would hate to lose all of the "existent" rural routes to contract delivery merely because they don't desire to use their ain vehicles. I've told them that it sounded to me like they didn't want to go regular. It could happen if they don't have steps to remedy information technology now. I like to deport mail out in country on a "existent" rural route. Using my own vehicle is expensive (gas, maintainence), merely the rural carriers need to keep these routes and try to prevent them from going to contract commitment service. Those are the first routes they will take abroad from the rural carriers considering most RCA's (at least in my office) don't want them. Contract carriers don't have to take an exam, drug test, or groundwork check. How do we know nosotros don't have criminals and ex-cons out carrying mail on contract routes? | ||
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| rjackson000 | #3 Posted : Saturday, October 18, 2008 5:32:54 AM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Newbie Groups: Registered | Where I am at Burrito, we do not have a pick of vehicles.. I know of at to the lowest degree 5 carriers in the concluding year whom have received LLVs and they did non inquire for or want them. Nosotros are being told that anything under forty miles is going to go them. Also new hires here are told in training that they must have a car to drive on the road if needed, if not they do not work. | ||
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| rjackson000 | #4 Posted : Sat, Oct 18, 2008 5:35:07 AM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Newbie Groups: Registered | Equally for the contracting out, seems like wedlock should exist stepping in and doing more about information technology. Final meeting I went to we were told to report it if information technology was even a rumor, so it can be stopped or fought. | ||
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| hot_burrito_1 | #v Posted : Saturday, Oct eighteen, 2008 6:42:26 AM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered Was thanked: 2 time(s) in 2 mail(s) | There was an EEO filed in our function and at present all the RCA's are being required to provide a delivery vehicle past next Saturday. If they don't have one, they volition be forced to resign. They were told when they were hired that they didn't have to have a vehicle by management (an obvious contract violation merely to go people). We obviously have different management now and they are actually wanting to stick to the rules. I was told I had to use my ain vehicle when I started, so I have ever provided a delivery vehicle. Some of these RCA's think they people who filed the EEO take royally screwed them. They were actually screwed when direction told them they didn't take to accept a vehicle. I didn't bid off of my road considering a government vehicle was about to exist placed on it. I bid off of it because of stress. I may non be able to afford (gas, maintenance, mechanic says it would be improve for the vehicle to be on a long road) to acquit a 50 mile route with my ain motorcar, but I think I won't be as stressed out about getting to the mail centers on time. My hair is turning gray, is falling out, and I have a hard fourth dimension sleeping at night. Worrying about the vehicle is ane thing. Having to worry nearly all the drama that mail centers create is just likewise much for me. | ||
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| Tammy Caldwell | #half dozen Posted : Sunday, Dec 21, 2008 11:36:51 AM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Newbie Groups: Registered | This is a reply to hot burrito "Contract carriers don't take to take an exam, drug examination, or groundwork check. How exercise we know we don't have criminals and ex-cons out carrying post on contract routes? I don't know where you are just here in the western area we are very difficult on the contractors. All is required except the exam. If a contractor gets a dui they are fired on the spot, if and employee gets a dui they get counseling and paid go out. How many people practice y'all know that went postal that was a contractor. How many exercise you know that left the job under emotion stress? Near of them that I know get above and beyond the phone call of duty. Money and rights roughshod second to the customer. Only I don't blame you as most of management has the same coin, minded ideas. You have upper management that many of them have spent their lives behind desks and have never cased 1 single peice of mail. The impoo's inforce really stupid changes, that create no productivity at all. The purpose? to keep them in a task. I don't know many postal employees that would make it in the real world. The postal answer to dealing with unfireable employees is to promote them. Honestly, You get paid excellent money for a chore, that past your own addmission, merely most anyone can practise. Yous get paid, ill exit, vacation, personal,fourth dimension and a half, double time, and you guys mutter, yous get insurance, retirement and if you become the sniffles you get to get home. I wish they would brand the mail office a fair competative visitor that's not protected by the government, we would see how long you would last. The reason they rent contractors is because you guys are just to expensive. Kinda like the 4.00 perscriptions at Wal-Mart. The product is just as skilful simply a whole lot cheeper. Go over yourselves. Please....Contractors are tired of hearing you whine. The postal service office is a visitor that grossly wastes coin. Same task, no bennies and a lot less pay...Most of these people are just trying to feed their families too. The United States Mail service is ran on the backs of contractors. That is how it is moved beyond the world, on the ground and through the air. I personally don't sympathize why everyone tin can't just work together. A contractor can't take your job if you practice your chore. Think about it from the employers point of view. Suppose yous were paying all of your co-workers out of your own pocket, which ones would yous keep and which ones would you fire? Be honest. | ||
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| ladmo2 | #7 Posted : Sunday, Dec 21, 2008 12:05:twenty PM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered | Practiced reply. | ||
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| hot_burrito_1 | #8 Posted : Sunday, Dec 21, 2008 8:52:forty PM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered Was thanked: ii time(s) in 2 post(s) | quote: I have all of the benefits. I have sick time that I don't use because I go into work sick equally a dog and so that management doesn't accept to separate a route. I don't similar some of the people in charge at the part, but I don't put them in a bad position by calling in ill. There are not very many of my coworkers I would keep if I had to pay them. Sadly, there are people I work who do non do their jobs and who phone call in sick at to the lowest degree in one case a week. They are nice people, but they are e'er calling in sick. I went to work for a while with pneumonia. Since changing routes, I accept felt a lot better about my situation. Our contract route carriers are retired postal workers in my role. They are nice guys and they offering more than service than some of my coworkers who are actual rural carriers. I fifty-fifty lent them my jumper cables to jump off their pickup truck a couple of weeks ago. I don't think I am against the people doing the piece of work. I am merely against the concept of contracting out without drug tests, competitive exams, and other required tests for postal workers. | ||
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| Tammy Caldwell | #9 Posted : Mon, December 22, 2008 12:32:17 AM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Newbie Groups: Registered | The just requirement not placed on contractors is the examination. I know many contractors that would exist willing to have information technology. I know several that have taken it and decided that the drama and politics were not worth the hassel so they became contractors instead. I know a few retired postal employees that became contractors.It is not unremarkably received well by the carriers. When I first started, it was common for us to aid one another. Simply there were ever a few that filed EEO's because, they felt that, even if the office was brusque handed and the client wouldn't get their mail until 10pm at nighttime or perhaps not at all, that they nevertheless were not to use Contractors or whatsoever staff that would be crossing crafts. I remember reading once in the postal bulletin how the union considered contractors to exist the cancer on the back of the post. He should have checked his records because the United states of america Postal service was founded on the backs of contractors, and today it still functions because of contractors. In that location is enough work for everyone. I'm not saying let the Mail push you all back into the stone historic period, unions are great for the most function, simply the thing they are most great at is dividing lines of unity, and residuum past creating fright. You guys all be rubber out in that location. Specially in the snow zones.... | ||
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| Jim | #10 Posted : Monday, Dec 22, 2008 9:22:08 AM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered | quote: The contractor is subject to a background check. The security issues ascend considering it is up to the contractor to do the background check on his or her employees. They tin can fifty-fifty subcontract the work. Who's responsibility is the groundwork check then? At present all of these people take full access to the aforementioned Postal facilities that you and I are required to get through an extensive FBI bank check to exist able to enter. If you were a terrorist trying to infiltrate a Government building or insert something into the mail stream, wouldn't yous think this system was tailor made for y'all? Why shouldn't they be required to pass the test? Shouldn't they prove they are competent to exercise the job? quote: So, you lot want everybody that has something to sell to exist allowed to put their solicitation in your postal service box? And so they can meet what kind of mail y'all get (and ship). How many times a day exercise you want your box accessed? Yous don't care if the cheque from the insurance company or your tax refund is in there when the local car dealer wants to put his flyer in your box? I guess you desire to pick and choose which Government protections nosotros all need. quote: The Union is conversing with legislators almost this problem. The Postal service agreed to slow the awarding of contracts for mail delivery until new Federal guidelines could be discussed and drafted. They know what will happen, and so they are ignoring the understanding and moving equally fast as they can to get contracts in identify before new guidelines are enacted. quote: I bet you wouldn't buy those drugs at Ray's Back-Aisle Pharmacy and Tattoo Parlor, fifty-fifty if they were the same verbal matter. Ask yourself why that is. quote: The contractors are taking the jobs earlier I get a chance to do it. I hold there are a lot of problems that need fixing within the Postal Service. I am the showtime to point those out, simply jeopardizing our security to relieve a cadet is not the reply. We've spent a lot of time and money to shore up the front door. Information technology would be a waste if we just left the back door wide open. Simply my humble opinion. | ||
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| Tammy Caldwell | #eleven Posted : Tuesday, December 23, 2008 12:02:44 AM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Newbie Groups: Registered | The contractor's employees are required to have FBI back footing checks. Contractors tin not sub-contract without the purposed person being put through the same process equally the contractor by the contract specialist, and anyone having access to the post, except for contract postal units, a thorough screening is required. I realize the whole matter boils down to jobs being contracted to people that are willing to be paid less to do the same job as that of a city carrier, whom the carrier feels is inferior considering of a test.City carriers need to go over themselves, seriously. Every bit I said before, many contractors are willing to take the tests, simply the PO doesn't give them. I doubt very seriously that our national rubber is based on whether or not contractors are employed past the PO. Since as I said earlier, contractors have been the back bone since before Ben Franklin. The refuse actually came after the marriage got involved and gave people a miss guided sense of entitlement. What e'er happen to people just doing their job? If one chooses to be miserable instead of grateful for the opportunities they take then atleast don't pick at the trivial guy. And comparison the four.00 perscription plan to a drug dealer in a night alley is lightheaded. Perhaps considering we are postal employees we volition never have to worry about paying less.Simply I can tell you there are plenty who do not have that luxury. | ||
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| Tammy Caldwell | #12 Posted : Tuesday, December 23, 2008 12:19:50 AM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Newbie Groups: Registered | I reread your response again and I would really like to know who supplies you with your information about contractors. The simply deviation is the exam. Contractors are not qualified to do dorsum basis checks on anyone, as information technology must be done by the FBI. They and any new hired commuter must be finger printed, and with a full application, two finger print cards, drug screen, and driving abstract is placed into a large envelope and sent to the FBI c/o postal screening. Just because someone pases a test doesn't hateful whether or non they are competent.I have known a lot of educated idiots in my twenty-four hours, and I have known a few city carriers that were terrible. A test does not define a person power or show their competence at being a mail carrier. Equally I have stated before how many contractors practice you know that have gone out on emotional stress or have gone postal? | ||
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| Jim | #thirteen Posted : Tuesday, December 23, 2008 nine:40:59 AM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Senior Fellow member Groups: Registered | quote: That's the offset fault fabricated - underestimating the enemy. quote: Y'all still haven't answered the question. Why wouldn't y'all purchase from this concern? Anyhow, I never said he was a drug dealer. (I recollect you have begun to answer the question.) quote: Only it does assistance level the playing field. Y'all did ask for a "brand the post part a off-white competative company". | ||
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| Tammy Caldwell | #fourteen Posted : Tuesday, December 23, 2008 11:12:50 AM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Newbie Groups: Registered | When I was talking about fair and competitive employment in the real world, I was referring to a company of employees that are not protected behind the skirt of the authorities. At that place are then many boarders in the United States that are full proof. I would never ever exist so foolish into believing that I could never be harmed or that our government can not be infiltrated. I pray with all that is in me that we all stay safe, but actually who are we that we retrieve we are and so great to exist able to plug all the leaks. You sir did not listen to what I typed. I said....Contractors and employees of contractors must go through the same criminal background screening equally postal employees. They must be canonical and cleared by the FBI. If this is not the case in your area than the fault is with management and should be taken upwards with them. And I don't believe that ane of the falls of our country should single out highway contactors as office of the problem. It would exist only equally easy to hire a postal employee that could compromise our security. I referred to the dark aisle drug dealer equally such, because where I come from that's where those types of places are found. Of course I wouldn't purchase any prescriptions that didn't come from a reputable chemist, but why would I pay $100.00 for the same prescription that costs $4.00? Then please, don't insult my intelligence. It is my hope that one 24-hour interval all contractors beyond the Usa volition finish working for merely two days. Do you know what would happen if they did??? It would exist very interesting to say the least. Are y'all prepared, or once again will you just place arraign on the contractor? Unbelievable, only I give thanks you for this chat. I really love hearing the opinions of others. Information technology'south educational, just unfortunately I am not surprised at how ill informed about the functions of contracts, employees are, especially city carriers, you guys seem to swallow what ever y'all are told past your unions. Anyone tin contact the DNO of their area contract specialist and ask for a P95 or maybe a contractor would exist willing to educate you. Why don't you research it yourself, the union is non going to ever bring peace for you, they are going to keep yous fearful about the contracting, demanding from the mail, and keep you constantly dislocated, blaming others for the misery that most of you notice your selves in everyday. How Deplorable for you….. My question is this for anyone that wants to answer. Are only employees that take taken the postal exam suppose to be the only ones to cover the 40 some odd billion jobs, that in most offices y'all take a hard time covering all the routes for city carriers, considering nearly every part I have been involved in has that career sick person. You lot know the one. That one that doesn't care about the hardship they cause for others; the one that spends more time dwelling house than at work, the i that is a carrier because they took the examination? | ||
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| ladmo2 | #xv Posted : Tuesday, December 23, 2008 2:22:47 PM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered | Tammy, you are right, equally the "quasi" federal mail service becomes less "quasi" opportunities shall open up up to more contractors. This is non a bad thing. Every industry is going to have to relook at how they do concern, including the Postal Service. Information technology is not your Daddy'south Postal service anymore. | ||
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| Jim | #16 Posted : Tuesday, December 23, 2008 7:25:39 PM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered | quote: You finally hitting the boom on the head. The public assumes that the person who is delivering their post, the person who is talking to their children, the person who asking about their welfare, is an employee of the United states of america Government. Information technology is someone they trust. You wouldn't buy the exact same product from the back aisle pharmacist because of trust. Equally in your case, even the appearance of not being trustworthy is enough. The contractors should go through exactly the same procedure I went through to get a United States Postal Worker. They should likewise make exactly the same coin. The Post should not be allowed to continue wasting coin hand over fist and then passing that along by curt-changing contractors. Yous say they are willing to take less money. Why should they accept to? If they do the same work, then why non make the same money? This system is used and then they can be paid less. Where is the fairness at that place? quote: But shouldn't we try? P.S. I will admit I may be getting wrong or incomplete information from some people about background checks. I volition back off from that until I investigate further. [This message was edited by NEVERTHOUGHTIDBEAMAILMAN on Dec 24, 2008 at 02:02 PM.] | ||
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| Jim | #17 Posted : Tuesday, Dec 23, 2008 7:29:l PM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered | Happy Christmas Eve to all. Be safe today and all year. | ||
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| Jim | #18 Posted : Wednesday, Dec 24, 2008 ix:07:x PM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered | .... and Merry Christmas. May all your loved ones be in your arms or in your hearts on this day of peace. Forgive those who would injure you. Supercede anger with joy. Accept all as they are. Retrieve, God doesn't make mistakes. | ||
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| hot_burrito_1 | #19 Posted : Thursday, Dec 25, 2008 11:05:sixteen AM(UTC) | ||
| Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered Was thanked: 2 time(south) in 2 post(s) | Thanks Neverthought. I wish the same for you and your family. | ||
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